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Hi there, I'm John McAdams. I'm the founder of the Big Game Hunting Blog and
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in this video I am going to do a detailed comparison of the 6.5 Creedmoor
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and the 300 Winchester Magnum cartridges. Now both are super popular hunting
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cartridges these days and it is important to understand what they each
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have to offer hunters. As you will learn here shortly, there are some significant
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differences between the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 300 Win Mag cartridges that you
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need to be aware of. Unfortunately, as is the case with many of the things
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involving the 6.5 Creedmoor, there is a lot of misinformation and hype out there
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regarding the capabilities of these cartridges. Not surprisingly, it is really easy to get confused when trying to understand their actual strengths and
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weaknesses. There's also a claim that the 6.5 Creedmoor is basically the same as
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the 300 Win Mag but just with less recoil. Is that the case? Well, watch this
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video to learn the truth. In this video, I'm going to discuss the pros and cons
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of the 6.5 Creedmoor and 300 Winchester Magnum cartridges so you can make an
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informed decision on which one is right for you. So first, let's talk about the
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history of the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 300 Win Mag. The years following World War
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Two were a true renaissance of civilian firearm and cartridge development in the
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United States. That time period saw a flood of new centerfire rifle cartridges
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like the .223 Remington, .243 Winchester, and the .308 Winchester. Now that same
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general time period also saw the start of the Magnum era when Winchester
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introduced a line of new belted Magnum cartridges that utilized a modified 375
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H&H Magnum case. The new .458 Winchester Magnum came along first in 1956 and was
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quickly followed by the .338 Winchester Magnum and the .264 Winchester Magnum
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during the next couple of years. All of those cartridges utilized a 375 H&H
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Magnum case necked down, or up in the case of the .458 Win Mag, and shortened
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from 2.85 inches to 2.5 inches long. The designers used those shortened cases so
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that all three cartridges would fit in a standard length rifle action, which is
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the same as the .30-06 Springfield, instead of a longer Magnum length
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action required by the original 375 H&H cartridge. Winchester offered those belted Magnum cartridges in their legendary Model 70 rifle and marketed
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each one to a particular segment of the American hunting community. The .264 Win
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Mag to Western hunters wanting a flatter shooting cartridge for longer range
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shots on thin skin game like pronghorn and mule deer, but potentially bigger
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game too. The .338 Win Mag to hunters pursuing really large and or tough
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species of American game like elk and moose, and the .458 Win Mag to hunters
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going afield after dangerous game like Cape Buffalo in Africa. While all of
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those cartridges were commercially successful, Winchester didn't stop there. Remington sent shockwaves through the hunting and shooting worlds with the
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introduction of the 7mm Remington Magnum in 1962. That cartridge also used a shortened and necked down 375 H&H case and fired a 7mm
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or a .284 caliber bullet. The new Remington cartridge was a massive
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commercial success and it quickly began to take market share away from the .264
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Win Mag. So Winchester responded with the introduction of the .300 Winchester
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Magnum in 1963. Built by using a modified .338 Winchester Magnum case, the .300
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Winchester Magnum basically duplicated the performance of the other fast 30 caliber cartridges of the day like the .308 Norma and the .300 H&H Magnum
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However, unlike those other 30 caliber Magnums, the .300 Win Mag could fit in a
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standard length rifle action like the other new Winchester belted Magnums as
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well as the 7mm Remington Magnum. Offering a dramatic improvement in performance over the venerable .30-06 Springfield that also
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compared favorably to the 7mm Rim Mag in many areas, the .300 Win
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Mag was an almost instant commercial success for Winchester and it remains
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one of the most popular big-game hunting cartridges in North America to this day
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Now let's fast forward a few decades. In the early 2000s, Dave Emory of Hornady
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Manufacturing and Dennis DeMille of Creedmoor Sports saw an opportunity to build a new cartridge for high-power rifle competition shooting. Specifically
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they wanted to build an ideal long-range shooting cartridge that was just as
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accurate as the .308 at long distance but with less recoil, less wind drift, and a
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flatter trajectory. And they also wanted the cartridge to fit in a short-action
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rifle. By modifying a .30 Thompson center case to shoot .264 caliber
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bullets, they successfully built a cartridge optimized for use with 4350 class propellants with a relatively large case capacity that could also
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accommodate long, heavy, high ballistic coefficient bullets without intruding into the powder column. Named the 6.5 Creedmoor in honor of the Creedmoor
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matches and designed for use with a relatively fast 1-8 inch rifling twist
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rate, Emory and DeMille were quite successful in their goal of building the
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ideal competition shooting cartridge with a relatively flat trajectory. A typical 6.5 Creedmoor load shoots a 140 grain bullet at about 2700 feet per
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second, so the Creedmoor does not have eye-popping ballistics but it is very
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accurate, has moderate recoil, and uses high BC bullets that retain energy and
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resist wind drift exceptionally well. For those reasons, the cartridge has seen a
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great deal of success in the hands of competition shooters and recently made
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the jump into the mainstream hunting community. The cartridge has also become
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extremely popular among hunters and shooters who appreciate the mild recoil and the great extended range performance of the cartridge. So now let's talk about
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the relative sizes of these two cartridges. First, as you can see, the 300
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Win Mag is physically much larger than the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Winchester
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cartridge has a longer overall length and uses a longer case than the 6.5
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Creedmoor. That said, the 6.5 Creedmoor is designed to fit in a short action
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rifle, while the longer 300 Win Mag requires the use of a long or a
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standard length action. Bullet size is one of the other obvious differences
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between the two cartridges. Each one uses different diameter bullets, .264 caliber for the Creedmoor and .308 caliber for the 300 Win Mag. There is
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also a significant difference in the most common bullet weights for each cartridge. The 6.5 Creedmoor most often utilizes bullet weights in that 90 to
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160 grain range, with 120, 129, 140, and 143 grain bullets being the most common
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On the other hand, the 300 Win Mag uses bullets in the 150 to 220 grain range
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with 150 grain, 165 grain, 180 grain, and 200 grain bullets being the most common
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The 300 Win Mag also has a larger .532 inch rim diameter, while the 6.5
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Creedmoor has a .473 inch rim diameter. At the same time, the 6.5
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Creedmoor has a steeper 30 degree shoulder, while the 300 Win Mag has a 25
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degree shoulder. Even so, the 300 Win Mag has a much larger case capacity than
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the 6.5 Creedmoor, since it is so much longer and larger in diameter, and it is
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also loaded to a higher maximum semi-authorized pressure than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Now let's talk about the ballistics of these two cartridges. Not
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surprisingly, the differences in the external dimensions of the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 300 Win Mag translate into some pretty significant
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differences in their ballistic performance. This is illustrated in the table I'm showing you now, comparing Hornady Precision Hunter, Nosler
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Trophy Grade Partition, and Winchester Deer Season XP factory ammunition. I chose those particular factory loads because they provide a good
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demonstration of the performance of each cartridge when using a wide spectrum of
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different bullets. The Winchester loads use light for caliber bullets, the Nosler
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loads use heavy for caliber bullets, and the Hornady loads use heavy for caliber
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exceptionally aerodynamic bullets for each cartridge. So specifically, these 6.5 Creedmoor loads use a 125 grain extreme point with a .540 BC, a 140 grain
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partition with a .490 BC, and a 143 grain ELDX with a .625 BC. The 300
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Win Mag loads use a 150 grain extreme point with a .392 BC, a 180 grain
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partition with a .474 BC, and a 200 grain ELDX with a .597 BC
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Note that the bullets used by the 6.5 Creedmoor in each case are more
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aerodynamic than those used by the 300 Win Mag for the exact same load, and
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we'll talk about this more later. Now all six loads in this table use a 200 yard
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zero. Now as you can see, the 300 Win Mag fires a larger caliber and heavier
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bullet at a significantly faster velocity than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Even though the bullets used by the 6.5 Creedmoor are generally more aerodynamic
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that 100 to 400 foot per second advantage in muzzle velocity with
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bullets that are 20 to 40 percent heavier translates into a flatter
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trajectory with less bullet drop at longer range. The 300 Win Mag also has a
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significant kinetic energy advantage over the 6.5 Creedmoor at all ranges. However, since the 6.5 Creedmoor uses more aerodynamic bullets with a higher
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ballistic coefficient, the gap in performance between the cartridges slightly decreases in size as range increases. Specifically, the 300 Win Mag
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has about 38 to 57 percent more muzzle energy than the 6.5 Creedmoor with those
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particular loads. That turns into a 36 to 54 percent advantage in favor of the
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300 Win Mag at 500 yards, which isn't that much of a change from the
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difference in energy at the muzzle. So I think it is fair to say that while the
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Creedmoor does catch up a little bit at longer range, the 300 Win Mag hits
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significantly harder than the 6.5 Creedmoor at all reasonable hunting ranges. Now let's talk about how much a 10 mile per hour crosswind impacts
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those same loads out to 500 yards. As you can see on this table, even though the
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bullets from the 300 Win Mag are heavier and going faster, the 6.5 Creedmoor uses
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much more aerodynamic bullets that also offer pretty good resistance to wind
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drift. Even so, the difference between the two cartridges is pretty darn small
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in this regard. Now the Nosler Partition and Hornady ELDX loads track each
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other almost exactly, and the 300 Win Mag has a tiny advantage in each case. The
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300 Win Mag Deer Season XP load drifts almost three inches more than the 6.5
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Creedmoor at 500 yards though, and the differences are of course smaller at
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shorter range. All things considered, it's pretty much a wash or maybe a small
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edge in favor of the 6.5 Creedmoor as far as wind drift goes. Now let's talk
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about recoil though. Not surprisingly, the 300 Winchester Magnum has significantly more recoil than the 6.5 Creedmoor. When comparing the Hornady ELDX loads when
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fired from identical rifles, the 300 Win Mag produces about 150% more free recoil
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energy than the little 6.5 Creedmoor. Results will be similar with other
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representative loads for each cartridge. Now that should not be surprising at all
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After all, the 6.5 Creedmoor was designed specifically to be a mild recoiling and
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sweet shooting cartridge, while the 300 Win Mag is a heavy hitting belted Magnum
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Basically, the 300 Win Mag should be expected to hit harder on both ends
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which is exactly the case. Now this can be mitigated to a certain extent with
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the use of a suppressor, a muzzle brake, and or a good recoil pad. So the extra
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recoil of the 300 Win Mag isn't necessarily a deal-breaker for many
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people, but it is still worth considering though. Now don't underestimate the
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impact that recoil has on the ability of a person to shoot accurately either. Some
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people do handle recoil better than others, but all other things being equal
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they will absolutely shoot more accurately with a milder recoiling cartridge. Additionally, there are a couple of other factors that are worth
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discussing. First, the 300 Win Mag uses larger diameter bullets than the 6.5
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Creedmoor. Specifically, the larger diameter .308 caliber bullets used by the 300 Win Mag have about 36% more frontal surface area than the smaller .264
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caliber bullets used by the 6.5 Creedmoor. All other things being equal, a
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bigger bullet will make a bigger hole, cause more tissue damage, and result in
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more blood loss. Especially when combined with the fact that the 300 Win
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Mag carries more kinetic energy downrange than the 6.5 Creedmoor, those larger diameter bullets are certainly helpful when hunting bigger game. On the
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other hand, as we covered earlier, those longer, heavy-for-caliber .264 caliber bullets do generally have a higher ballistic coefficient than the
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most common bullets used by the 300 Win Mag. Now the 6.5 millimeter bore
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diameter is also in something of a sweet spot where it is easier to manufacture
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very high BC bullets that aren't especially heavy. Those aerodynamic projectiles don't slow down as fast and they are more resistant to wind drift
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They also have a relatively high sectional density. Sectional density is a
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measure of the ratio of the diameter of a projectile to its mass. All other
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things being equal, a heavier projectile of a given caliber will be longer
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and therefore have a higher sectional density and penetrate deeper than projectiles with a lower mass and lower sectional density. 150 grain, 180 grain
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and 200 grain .308 caliber bullets have sectional densities of .226, .271
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and .301 respectively. At the same time, 120 grain, 129 grain, 140 grain, and 143
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grain .264 caliber bullets have sectional densities of .246, .264, .287, and .293. There is some overlap there, but with the exception of the
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absolute heaviest 300 Win Mag bullets, the 6.5 Creedmoor does have a slight edge
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in sectional density. Now there's not a darn thing wrong with the killing power
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or penetration capabilities of the 300 Win Mag, but this might help explain why
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the 6.5 Creedmoor tends to perform better on game than the modest
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ballistics of the cartridge on paper would suggest. Now what about 6.5
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Creedmoor vs. 300 Win Mag accuracy? The 300 Winchester Magnum is certainly
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capable of outstanding accuracy, often sub MOA. However, the heavier recoil of
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the cartridge can make shot placement more challenging for certain people, especially those who are more recoil shy. On the other hand, the 6.5 Creedmoor was
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specifically designed as a mild recoiling competition shooting cartridge, and since it shoots .264 caliber bullets, there is a bigger selection of
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high BC and high sectional density match grade hunting bullets available for that
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cartridge. Now that's not to say the 300 Win Mag isn't accurate or there aren't a
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bunch of good quality rifles available for it. It's just the overall design of
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the 6.5 Creedmoor does give that cartridge an edge over the 300 Win Mag
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in potential accuracy at extended range. So where do we stand with each cartridge
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The 300 Win Mag fires larger diameter and significantly heavier bullets at a
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higher velocity than the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 300 Win Mag has a flatter trajectory
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and has significantly more kinetic energy at typical hunting ranges, but the
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6.5 Creedmoor has much less recoil. All things considered, the two cartridges
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have vastly different strengths and weaknesses, and they are optimized for different uses. The 300 Win Mag has definite advantages in velocity, bullet
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weight, retained energy, and trajectory, while the 6.5 Creedmoor has much less
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recoil and may have a tiny advantage in terms of wind drift. So what about the
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claim that some people have made that the 6.5 Creedmoor is basically the same
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as the 300 Win Mag, just with less recoil? I think it's pretty clear that the 300
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Win Mag is in an entirely different class from the 6.5 Creedmoor. Similar to
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but not quite as extreme as, the comparison of the .223 to the .308, the 6.5
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Creedmoor and the 300 Win Mag are vastly different cartridges. The 6.5 Creedmoor
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is a short-action cartridge designed to use very high BC bullets and produce
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minimal recoil. Those bullets also have a relatively high sectional density and
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to penetrate very well. Those aforementioned strengths of the 6.5 Creedmoor all facilitate precise shot placement, which is extremely important
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when it comes to ethically taking game. On the other hand, the 300 Win Mag has a
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definite advantage over the 6.5 Creedmoor in external ballistics at typical hunting ranges. While that is certainly something to keep in mind, laser range
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finders and modern scopes with easily adjustable ballistic turrets, like the Leupold VX5, do make adjusting for bullet drop much simpler now than it was
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just a few decades ago. Instead, I think the killing power of the 300 Win Mag
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versus 6.5 Creedmoor is the biggest difference between them. For one thing, the
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300 Win Mag also carries a whole lot more energy downrange than the Creedmoor
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The cartridge also uses significantly heavier bullets and has a big advantage
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when it comes to frontal surface area. Those traits give hunters a tiny bit
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more room for error in shot placement when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor. Add it
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all up and the 300 Win Mag just hits with a whole lot more authority, as
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Joseph von Benedikt would say, when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor, and the
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cartridge is renowned worldwide for being an extremely effective hunting round on all manner of game. Now what about barrel life? Both cartridges do
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have reputations for being rough on barrels. Exactly how fast they'll wear out
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a barrel depends on a number of factors, like the quality of the barrel, the exact ammo used, etc. But the good news for hunters is that typical 6.5 Creedmoor
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and 300 Win Mag barrel life is most likely long enough to last for many, many
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years of hunting with no issues at all. So there's very little practical
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difference in 6.5 Creedmoor versus 300 Win Mag barrel life as far as most
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hunters are concerned. Now let's talk about ammo. The 300 Win Mag and the 6.5
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Creedmoor are both extremely popular centerfire rifle cartridges. Indeed, they're usually among the top 10 most popular cartridges in the USA each year
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As popular as the 300 Win Mag is, the 6.5 Creedmoor is probably a little bit more
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commonly used. That said, they're both very popular and ammo is usually easy to
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find for both. Now availability also likely varies regionally though. For instance, 300 Win Mag ammo is probably more common in places like Alaska than
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the 6.5 Creedmoor. On the other hand, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo is typically
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noticeably cheaper than 300 Win Mag ammo. But all of the big ammo manufacturers
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produce an incredible variety of ammo for both cartridges. So in each case
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there's usually a really good selection of bullet types and weights for each one
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that are suitable for big-game hunting. Now during normal times, it's usually
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very easy to find ammo for both cartridges and almost any gun or sporting goods store will have a wide variety of ammo for each one in stock
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Hand loaders will also appreciate the fact that reloading components for both
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are readily available and there's an especially wide variety of bullet choices available for them. So you should not have any trouble working up a good
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custom load for either one if you like to hand load. Now let's talk about rifles
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In addition to the great selection of ammo available in 300 Win Mag and 6.5
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Creedmoor, there are many quality rifles available in those cartridges as well
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Now they are both extremely common in bolt-action rifles. In fact, just about
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every really popular bolt-action hunting rifle in current production is available in both cartridges. For instance, both the 300 Win Mag and the 6.5 Creedmoor are
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available in several different versions of the Remington 700 and the Winchester
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Model 70. The same goes for the Browning X-Bolt, the Browning AB3, the
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Christensen Arms Mesa and Ridgeline, the Kimber Hunter, the Mauser M18, the
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Mossberg Patriot, the Nosler M48, the Remington Model 7, the Ruger American
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Ruger Hawkeye, Savage Axis, Savage 110, Tikka T3X, Weatherby Vanguard, and Winchester XPR. Now remember when I mentioned earlier that the 6.5 Creedmoor
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will fit in a short-action rifle while the 300 Win Mag requires the use of a
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long or a standard length action rifle? Well this means that rifles chambered in
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6.5 Creedmoor have a shorter bolt than the exact same rifle in 300 Win Mag
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Additionally, and this has nothing to do with a rifle having a short or a long
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action, gun manufacturers tend to put longer barrels on rifles chambered in
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300 Win Mag. So all things considered, rifles chambered in 300 Win Mag tend to
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be longer, heavier, and a little bit more unwieldy than rifles chambered in 6.5
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Creedmoor. The Ruger Hawkeye Hunter illustrates those differences well. When chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, the rifle has a 22-inch barrel, an overall length of
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42 inches, and weighs 7.2 pounds. The same rifle in 300 Win Mag has a 24-inch
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barrel, is 44.75 inches long, and weighs 8.2 pounds. So that rifle in 300 Win Mag
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is almost 3 inches longer and weighs nearly a pound more than the exact same
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model in 6.5 Creedmoor. Now having a shorter and lighter rifle is more
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important on some hunts than on others, so just keep that in mind. So which one
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is right for you? Do you primarily hunt medium-sized game like Whitetail Deer
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Feral Hogs, or Black Bear at ranges within 200 yards? Both are extremely
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effective deer hunting cartridges and will absolutely get the job done on
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medium-sized game if you do your part. The 6.5 Creedmoor in particular is a
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great deer hunting cartridge. Now there is nothing wrong with using the 300 Win
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Mag on deer inside 200 yards, but it's really more gun than you need for that
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sort of work, and it is rougher on both your shoulder and your wallet. Now if
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you're going to be hunting in thick brush or in the tight confines of a deer stand, remember what I just mentioned about the size difference with 6.5
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Creedmoor vs. 300 Win Mag rifles. That extra couple of inches and overall
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length of a rifle can be a real headache to deal with when you're trying to
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quickly and quietly maneuver for a shot in tight conditions. Now what about if
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you're looking for a cartridge better suited for long-range hunting for a game
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like Mule Deer or Pronghorn in open country where you might need to take a
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shot at several hundred yards? Once again, they'll both work really well in this
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role. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a good choice for this sort of hunting, but the 300 Win
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Mag carries a lot more energy out past 200 yards. Now what about if you want a
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hunting cartridge that's well suited for caribou, moose, elk, elan, kudu, or even
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red stag hunting, like bigger game like that? Now the 6.5 Creedmoor will get the
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job done in a pinch, but hunters need to be really careful with their shot angles
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Broadside or slightly quartering shots are best, and they should probably stick
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to shots under 250 yards on elk-sized game. Now with that in mind, the 300 Win
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Mag is hands-down the better choice for hunting bigger game since it shoots
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significantly heavier and larger diameter bullets that carry much more kinetic energy downrange. The result is that the 300 Winchester Magnum has a
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longer effective range and gives hunters much more flexibility with shot angles
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on really big game when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor. Now are you sensitive to
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recoil and maybe you need a lower recoiling cartridge? Well the 6.5 Creedmoor
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has significantly less recoil than the 300 Win Mag, especially in a lighter
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rifle. So this cartridge is especially well suited to new small-framed and or
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recoil shy hunters. Indeed the 6.5 Creedmoor is extremely popular for children to use for deer hunting because it's so darn effective on deer and it
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has such a mild recoil. Now what about if you want the round that is best suited
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for target shooting out past 400 yards or so in a precision rifle? Both will
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work well and have excellent reputations for precision shooting, but since we're
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just punching paper or banging steel, I lean more towards the 6.5 Creedmoor
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since it has such a mild recoil and it is specifically designed to use very
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high BC, match grade bullets. Now they're both excellent rifle cartridges, though
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ones with very different strengths and weaknesses. Though the differences between them are very significant in some respects, they're both suitable for many
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hunting tasks. Really the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 300 Win Mag are different enough
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from each other that I think this is a case where it's a great idea to get good
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rifles chambered in both of those cartridges. The 6.5 Creedmoor is great
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for deer or pronghorn. It's also a great option to start your child off hunting
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with. The 300 Win Mag is perfect for bear, moose, or elk hunting. It's also an
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excellent cartridge for hunting plains game in Africa. You can absolutely use it
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on deer or pronghorn as well, and I certainly have on multiple occasions. Now
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if you don't want to own both, then I really think it's just a matter of
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taking a hard look at your capabilities and what sort of hunting you plan on
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doing with this rifle. Get a good hunting rifle chambered in the cartridge you
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think fits your needs the best, and there are some great rifles available in 6.5
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Creedmoor and 300 Win Mag. Learn to shoot that rifle well, use quality bullets, and
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you will be all set. Okay, what did you think of that video? If you enjoyed it
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6.5 Creedmoor or the 300 Win Mag? Let me know what sort of game that you have
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