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Hi there, I'm John McAdams, founder of the Big Game Hunting blog. In this video I
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am going to do a detailed comparison of the 25-06 Remington and the 30-06
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Springfield cartridges. I think that most hunters would agree that the legendary 30-06 is an excellent all-around hunting cartridge and while
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it does indeed offer many advantages to hunters, it's not perfect. Indeed, some
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cartridges like the 25-06 handily outperform the old 30-06 in some areas. But on the other hand, the 30-06 is also a significantly better choice
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than the 25-06 for some other uses. So which one is best for you? Well, that's
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what I'm going to talk about in this episode as I break down the 25-06 vs
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30-06 debate in detail and give you the information you need to determine which
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one is best for your individual needs. Before we get started, make sure you're
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link in the video description. Okay, now we'll dive into things with the 25-06
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and the 30-06 and as usual we'll start with their history. The US Army
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decided it needed a new rifle cartridge to replace the old 30-40 Krag and the
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45-70 cartridges used by American soldiers in the Spanish-American War. And while the United States was victorious in that fight against Spain
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in 1898, the Army suffered heavy casualties at the hands of Spanish
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troops in Cuba armed with Mauser rifles chambered in the ballistically superior
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7mm Mauser. With that in mind, Army leadership wanted a new infantry service rifle that could compete with the revolutionary new Mauser
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rifle. Among other things, they were looking for a new bolt-action rifle designed from the start with a stronger action capable of safely firing more
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powerful smokeless ammunition that also had a claw quote-unquote claw extractor for more reliable feeding and extraction and that could quickly be loaded with
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five round stripper clips. In the end, the new 1903 Springfield rifle was modeled
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heavily on and some might even say copied the 1893 Spanish Mauser rifle
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That new rifle was originally chambered in the .30-03 Springfield cartridge which fired a 220 grain round nose bullet at approximately 2,300 feet per
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second. Now while the new .30-03 did provide a modest improvement in
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performance over the .30-40 Krag, the Army still wasn't completely happy with
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the performance of the cartridge. For this reason, designers made a few
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tweaks to the design of the .30-03 Springfield and they switched over to a revolutionary new 150 grain spitzer or pointed bullet fired at a
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muzzle velocity of 2,700 feet per second and that gave them the results they were
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looking for. Named after both the year it was formally introduced and the
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Springfield armory where it was designed, the high-velocity .30-06 Springfield was a significant improvement over previous military cartridges used during
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that era. Now in addition to extensive use with the US military through both
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World Wars in the 1903 Springfield, 1917 Enfield and M1 Garand rifles, the .30-06
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Springfield also rapidly became very popular with the big-game hunting and shooting communities in the United States during the early 20th
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century. Now the old .30-06 remains one of the most popular centerfire rifle
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cartridges used by hunters and shooters in the United States as well as many
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other parts of the world to this day. At the same time, Wildcatters and gun
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designers started modifying the .30-06 for more specialized tasks almost as quickly as hunters started utilizing the new cartridge. Some of these cartridges
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based on the modified .30-06 disappeared quickly but others like the .270 and
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the .35 Whelan have stood the test of time and remain outstanding hunting
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cartridges. Adolf Otto Niedner, better known as A.O. Niedner, created the .25
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Niedner in 1920 by necking the .30-06 Springfield case down to use .257
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caliber bullets. The .25 Niedner did offer a modest improvement in ballistics over the .30-06 but the new .25 caliber cartridge was far too
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overboard and could not reach its full potential with the powders available at
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the time. So for that reason the .25 Niedner was pushed aside by other
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quarter bore cartridges like the .257 Roberts and the .250 3000 Savage that
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propelled .257 caliber bullets at a similar velocity but used a much shorter
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case. Now the fact that the .25 Niedner was a Wildcat cartridge that had no
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mass-produced rifles in that chambering didn't help either. However, the introduction of slower burning powders like IMR 4350 and H4831, which was
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originally obtained from surplus 20 millimeter Oerlikon shells after World War II, changed the game completely and allowed hand loaders to maximize
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performance of the .25 Niedner. Designers at Remington knew a good thing when they
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saw it and the company standardized the cartridge as the .25-06 Remington in
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1969. The company started manufacturing the Remington model 700 rifle in .25-06
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and rolled out two factory .25-06 loads that same year. An 87 grain bullet at a
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blazing fast velocity of 3,500 feet per second and a 120 grain load at 3,220 feet
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per second. Deer and antelope hunters in particular loved the accuracy, high
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velocity, flat trajectory, modest recoil and impressive terminal performance of the new cartridge with heavier bullets on medium game in North America. It
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also gained a really good reputation as an outstanding varmint hunting round
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with lighter bullets. Now as you can imagine the .25-06 and the .30-06
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are very similar in size. The shared heritage is obvious with these
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cartridges and they're identical up to the shoulder and they also have the same 17.5 degree shoulder angle. They have the same case length and the same .473 inch
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rim diameter. However while the .30-06 has a slightly longer overall length of
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3.34 versus 3.25 inches they're close enough that both are used in standard or
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long action rifles. The end result is that the two cartridges have very
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similar case capacities and the .30-06 can hold usually a tiny bit maybe
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5% more powder than the .25-06 but that's a small difference and it can
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actually change, increase, decrease or even flip completely in favor of the
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.25-06 by going from one brass manufacturer to another. The other real
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big difference between them is bullet size and weight. The .25-06 uses .257
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caliber bullets while the .30-06 uses larger .308 caliber bullets. .25-06 factory loads usually shoot bullets in the 90 to 120 grain range
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with 90, 100, 110, 117 and 120 grain bullets being most popular. On the other
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hand though it's possible to find .30-06 ammo shooting bullets in the 110 to
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220 grain range. Most .30-06 loads use 150, 165, 180 or 200 grain bullets
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And finally the .25-06 is also loaded to a higher semi maximum average
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pressure of 63,000 psi versus just 60,000 psi for the .30-06. Okay let's
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talk about how they stack up in terms of ballistics and to do that we'll compare
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some Federal Premium Rifle and Remington Core Locked factory ammo. The .25-06
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loads use 100 grain ballistic tip with a .394 BC and 120 grain core
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locked with a .362 BC. .30-06 loads in this comparison use 150 grain
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ballistic tip with a .434 BC and 180 grain core lock with a .383 BC bullet
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Federal loads use light for caliber deer hunting bullets while the Remington
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loads use some of the heaviest for caliber bullets that are commonly available for each cartridge. Now I do want to point out that the various
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bullets used in those .30 caliber loads do have a higher BC than those used in
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the comparable .25-06 loads. Now as you can imagine the .25-06 has a flatter
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trajectory while the .30-06 has more kinetic energy at all ranges. This is due
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to the fact that the .25-06 fires lighter and smaller bullets at a
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significantly higher velocity than the .30-06. Details matter here though and there is a bit of overlap with their performance especially when you compare
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the more aerodynamic and higher velocity ballistic tip loads to the core lock
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loads. However every .30-06 Springfield load has a little more muzzle energy and more and a more arcing trajectory than the comparable .25-06
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load with the same bullet since that .25-06 is using a lighter bullet that's
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going about 300 feet per second faster than the .30-06 does with the same
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bullet type. So on the whole the various .30-06 loads have about 18 to 27
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percent more muzzle energy and about 15 to 40 percent more retained energy at
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500 yards. Now that 150 grain .30-06 ballistic tip load actually has a very
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similar trajectory to the 120 grain .25-06 core lock load. Their muzzle
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velocities are very similar so they track very closely until that .30-06
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load surpasses the .25-06 between 300 and 400 yards and it has about one
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inch less bullet drop at 500 yards. So here's how each .30-06 load compares
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individually to the comparable .25-06 load in terms of muzzle energy, retained
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energy at 500 yards and bullet drop at 500 yards. Nosler ballistic tip. .30-06
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has 22.5% more muzzle energy, 29% more kinetic energy at 500 yards and 7.3
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inches or 20.5% more bullet drop at 500 yards. Remington core lock. .30-06
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has 22.2% more muzzle energy, 24.3% more kinetic energy at 500 yards and 10.1
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inches or 23% more bullet drop at 500 yards. All the .25-06 loads in this
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comparison easily maintain at least a thousand foot-pounds of energy out past
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400 yards and all of the .30-06 loads stay above that energy
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threshold past 500 yards. Both .30-06 loads carry 1500 foot-pounds of kinetic energy out past 300 yards while the .25-06 loads dip below 1500
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foot-pounds of energy between 200 and 300 yards. So the big takeaways here are
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that the .25-06 is generally a flatter shooting cartridge while the .30-06
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hits harder. Right, that shouldn't be surprising. We're comparing a larger bore
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cartridge shooting heavier and more often more aerodynamic bullets to a neck-down version of that same cartridge shooting lighter smaller diameter
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bullets at a higher velocity. So let's talk about wind deflection now
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Interestingly things are a little different in this area. Now the .25-06
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does have an advantage overall but that is exclusively due to the higher muzzle
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velocity of those loads. .30-06 does have the edge with ballistic coefficient
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which is very important with wind deflection. So with that in mind the
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150 grain .30-06 load actually has quite a bit less wind deflection than the
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120 grain .25-06 load and the various .30-06 loads will either track the
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.25-06 load very closely or even close the gap in wind deflection to a
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certain degree. So here's the breakdown by loading for wind drift at 300 and
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500 yards. Ballistic tip, the .30-06 has 0.2 inches or 2.9% more
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wind deflection at 300 yards and about 0.6 inches or 2.9% more wind
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deflection at 500 yards. Remington core lock, the .30-06 has 0.8 inches or
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9.8% more wind deflection at 300 yards and 2.1 inches or 8.4
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more wind deflection at 500 yards. Now external ballistics are very important but they don't tell the whole story and there's more to picking a
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hunting cartridge than just comparing kinetic energy bullet drop and wind drift at various ranges. So for instance we'll talk about recoil. When you compare
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hand loads that approximate the performance of the Remington factory loads I just talked about firing 120 and 180 grain bullets from a .25-06 and
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.30-06 from identical 7-pound rifles the .30-06 is going to have a lot more
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recoil. In fact it's going to have about 47% more free recoil energy than the
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.25-06. Now the .30-06 usually isn't considered that hard of a recoiling cartridge and it's known as one of the more quote-unquote shootable
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serious big-game hunting cartridges. You know most hunters should be able to handle it without a lot of trouble but the .25-06 has significantly less
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recoil and a big advantage in this area especially for smaller or more recoil
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shy hunters. Now that we talked about recoil let's talk about a couple of
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other factors though. The .30-06 Springfield uses a larger diameter bullets than the .25-06. Now those larger .308 caliber bullets have about
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44% more frontal surface area than the .257 caliber bullets the .25-06
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uses. That's a big advantage in favor of the .30-06 especially on bigger game
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and especially when you combine it with the additional retained energy that
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cartridge has at all ranges. A bigger bullet will make a bigger hole
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cause more tissue damage and result in more blood loss when all other things
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are the same. Now the .30-06 also has a slight edge in terms of bullet
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sectional density. Now sectional density is a measure of the ratio of the diameter
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of a projectile to its mass and once again all things being equal that's
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very important but all things being equal a bullet with a higher sectional density will probably penetrate deeper than a projectile with a lower sectional
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density. For instance .90, .100, .110 and .120 grain .257 caliber bullets have
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sectional densities of .195, .216, .238 and .260. 150, 165, 180 and 200 grain .308
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caliber bullets have sectional densities of .226, .248, .271 and .301. That's something of a mixed bag on the face of things right the heaviest 120
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grain .25 caliber bullets outclass the lighter 150 and 165 grain .30 caliber
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bullets but the .30-06 has the edge overall when you're comparing say the
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lightest for caliber bullets to across both cartridges as well as the heavier
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for caliber bullets for both cartridges and the same thing goes for the most
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popular bullet weights. Now the same thing also applies for ballistic coefficient. Quarter bore cartridges like the .25-06 suffer from a lack of
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really high ballistic coefficient bullets. This is due in large part to the
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fact that rifles with that bore diameter right to include other cartridges like the .257 Roberts and the .257 Weatherby typically use a 1 in 10
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inch rifling twist rate. That twist rate is unfortunately not fast enough to
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stabilize bullets heavier than about 120 grains or bullets with a very sleek
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profile heavier than about 110 grains. So for that reason the major bullet
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manufacturers just haven't invested a lot of time developing heavy for caliber high BC .257 caliber bullets. The .30-06 does not suffer from this
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problem at least as big of a degree. Now the bullets used in this comparison
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illustrate these differences well with the .25-06 using 110 grain excuse me a 100 grain .394 BC and a 120 grain bullets with a .362 BC
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Those are outclassed by 150 grain bullets with the .434 BC and 180 grain
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bullets with a .383 BC that the .30-06 uses. Hornady's 25 caliber 110
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grain ELDX in their Precision Hunter line has a BC G1 BC of .465 and
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that's about as good as it gets for that chambering in a factory load right now
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Nosler does offer a 110 grain Acubon with a .418 BC that's also good but not
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quite as good as the Hornady load. However there's lots of higher BC options for the .30-06 that you can get factory loads like a 168 grain
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Nosler Acubon long-range for the .525 BC, 178 grain ELDX from Hornady with a
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.552 BC and 180 grain Nosler Acubon with a .507 BC. We're not
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talking about ridiculously high BC's over .6 or even approaching .7 like
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you get with some cartridges for the .30-06 but that's still a big
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improvement over what we got with the .25-06. So anyway the .30-06 can use much
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higher BC bullets. So where do we stand with that? So the .30-06 fires a
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larger diameter, often heavier, usually more aerodynamic bullet at a slower velocity than the .25-06 Remington. The .25-06 usually has a flatter
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trajectory than the .30-06 but the .30-06 typically has significantly more retained kinetic energy and more recoil than the .25-06. Alright let's talk about
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ammo and rifle availability for these cartridges quickly. Now I wouldn't say
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the .25-06 is a rare cartridge but the .30-06 is a significantly more popular
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cartridge really all over the world and the .30-06 is certainly in the top 10
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most popular centerfire cartridges in the US and probably inside the top 5
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That's not the case with the .25-06. Like I said it's not rare, it's
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fairly popular in some circles but it's easily the least popular of these two
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And so that is kind of reflected in ammo availability. The big ammo manufacturers
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do produce .25-06 factory ammo but that's not the case with every single
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one of them. In every case where you see a company that produces .25-06 ammo
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they produce .30-06 ammo as well. So you got everything that you got in .25-06
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that's available in .30-06 plus a bunch of other stuff. Right so for the .25-06
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you got say like the Barnes Vortex, Federal Fusion, Power Shock, Hornady
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Precision Hunter, Hornady Superformance, Hornady America Whitetail, Nosler Trophy Grade, Nosler Ballistic Tip, Remington Core Lock, Winchester Deer
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Season XP, and Winchester Super X. Now at the same time .30-06 is available all
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those lines plus a few others where you can't get .25-06 like the Barnes Vortex
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Long Range, Federal Terminal Ascent, Federal Non-Typical, Hornady Outfitter, Hornady Custom Light, Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range, Winchester Power Max Bonded
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and the Winchester Expedition Big Game Long Range or Winchester, excuse me
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Winchester Expedition Big Game loadings. Now you can usually find ammo for both
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the normal times but I will say the .30-06 is going to be in normal times
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easier to find and probably a little less expensive. But during the big ammo
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shortage that as I record this in 2023 has improved but we're still dealing
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with the difference between them has become more more apparent and at this
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point at least where I live and shop the .30-06 is easily easier to find and
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is significantly easier to find and it is usually much more reasonably priced
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Similar thing with rifles. Now they're both pretty common in bolt-action rifles
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you can get them say in the Remington 700 and the Winchester Model 70, the
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Browning X-Bolt, Mossberg Patriot, Ruger, American, Savage Axis, etc. But you know
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the .30-06 is just going to be more common and easier to find and all of
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that stuff. Okay so which one is right for you? You primarily hunt medium-sized
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game like whitetail deer and feral hogs that ranges within 200 yards. Both are
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outstanding deer hunting cartridges and will work great on deer sized game with good shot placement. Now the .25-06 in particular and
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especially with a 100 grain bullet is one of those quote-unquote classic deer
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hunting cartridges and it really shines in that role. In fact I would recommend
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the .25-06 for someone who is primarily interested in hunting deer. Now if you
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are looking for the cartridge better suited for long-range hunting like game like mule deer or pronghorn and open country where you might need to take a
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longer shot, well once again it's a little bit of a mixed bag. Both will work
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here. The flat shooting .25-06 shines in this area compared to a lot of
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other cartridges. In fact this cartridge was considered by many to include guys
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like Ron Spomer and Craig Bonington to be the quintessential pronghorn hunting
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cartridge for many years. I think there are better options available for hunting
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in the windy conditions often associated with pronghorn hunting these days like the much newer 6.5 PRC but the .25-06 is still a darn good choice for those
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hunts. That's not to say that you can't use the .30-06 for those hunts. Lots of
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people do but like I said that is a situation where the .25-06 is a great
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cartridge and it really shines there. Now you want something that's better
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suited for bigger game. Black bear, caribou, moose, elk, etc. .25-06 will
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certainly work on bigger game but of these two cartridges I strongly
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recommend the .30-06 just because it uses a larger diameter and heavier
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bullet with more sectional density that tends to penetrate better and it carries
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more energy downrange. Looted with something like a quality 180 grain partition, acubon or a-frame, 168 grain acubon long-range or 180 grain lead-free
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bullet like the Barnes TSX or TTSX, the .30-06 is a fantastic choice for use on
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larger animals at reasonable range. Now I think the .25-06 is potentially a better
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choice for someone who exclusively or even primarily hunts for deer. Let's flip
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the script here. I think the .30-06 is a better option for someone who is
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primarily hunting bigger game like elk or moose. Yeah sure right you got a .25-06
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that you use mainly for deer hunting. You want to go on one elk hunting trip out in
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Colorado or something. Sure it'll work for that but if you're doing lots and
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lots of elk hunting I think the .30-06 is the better choice of these two. Now are you
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specifically hunting brown or grizzly bear or if you're say hunting in Canada
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or Alaska and you would prefer a heavier hitting cartridge in case you find
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yourself on the wrong end of a ground or grizzly bear attack right you get
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your moose down and and you have an encounter with a big bear that wants to
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take that that moose carcass away from you and maybe even hurt you in the
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process. Neither would be my first choice for use on these hunts but they will
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work and of the two definitely go with the .30-06 because it uses those larger
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and heavier bullets and it's just more you know has more kinetic energy. If you
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go in that route you got to make sure you use premium, heavy for caliber, 180 grain or heavier bullets that are more likely to deliver the really deep
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penetration you need if you go that route. So for what it's worth Roy Lindsley
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used a .30-06 Springfield to take what is currently the Boone and
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Crockett, Brute Boone and Crockett record Alaska brown bear back in 1952 and it
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worked fine for him. But since he shot that bear in 1952 you may notice that
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happened years before cartridges like the 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum and .338 Winchester Magnum even existed. A hunter at that
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time really could have used maybe one of the Weatherby cartridges, a .35 Whelan, a
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.375 H&H or a .45-70 and that's really about it as far as other choices that
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are quote-unquote more powerful than the .30-06 and all of those cartridges had downsides associated with them that were just a lot harder to
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overcome than the fact that the .30-06 was a really good all-around cartridge that was very widely available in rifles and ammunition at the time and
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so it's not really surprising that old Roy Lindsley was using the cartridge, that
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cartridge on his hunt. Okay are you sensitive to recoil and you need a lower
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recoil cartridge? Neither has terrible recoil but the .25-06 has a very mild recoil even if you drop down to a lighter weight rifle that
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gives it a big edge over the .30-06 here. Now are you looking for a cartridge
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for use in say up in the mountains right for sheep, mountain goat, tar hunting
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something like that where you want something that is still going to be really manageable to shoot in a really lightweight rifle that also may have a
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little bit of ability to reach out there a couple hundred yards if you get a shot on that that ram that you're that you're looking for. The .25-06 will
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certainly work but of me I'd prefer the .30-06. Sheep hunts are so unique and
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often so physically demanding that I would go something with more power that
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also bucks the wind a little bit better to expand my shot window right
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Opportunities on those hunts are so precious and rare that I would rather
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carry a little bit heavier rifle or deal with a little bit more recoil to give me
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a little bit more capability especially in the wind and hit a little bit harder
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on the other end if I was on one of those hunts and I wanted every
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opportunity possible to get that sheep. But that's if I was restricted to these
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two cartridges neither one would be my first choice on one of these hunts though. Ideally I'd get something a little bit more modern like say one of
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the fast 6.5 millimeter cartridges like the 6.5 PRC for instance but of these
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two I take the .30-06 loaded with a very high BC bullet like a
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178 grain ELDX over the .25-06 for this hunting situation. Now the .25-06
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and the .30-06 are great rifle cartridges and there is some overlap in
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their performance and ideal uses but I will say there are some significant
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differences between them in certain respects and I'll say that each cartridge is definitely better suited to specific situations than the other. So
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yeah you can use them in a lot of stuff but you're gonna have a big advantage
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with one over the other in many situations. So make sure that you
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carefully evaluate your needs as a hunter based upon the circumstances you
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foresee using that cartridge in. Get a good hunting rifle chambered in the
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cartridge you select. Learn to shoot it well. Use good quality bullets and it
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cartridges. Now I'm going to turn it over to you. Which one do
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you prefer the .25-06 or the .30-06? What game have you successfully taken
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with them and what ammo did you use to do that? Let me know by
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comment with requests for other cartridge comparisons you'd like to see from me in the future. If I get a couple of really good topics that are requested
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by a lot of people I'll definitely add that to my list of things to do. So thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoyed it. Have a great day and good hunting